James, Brandon Mcdonald, and Travis T Bone Turner from Bone Collector discuss a current hot topic in the archery world which is the debate between John Dudley of Nock on and Ranch Fairy discussing arrow weight set ups.
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So just my view point and experience. I shoot 620-650. Have no issues shooting 40 yards and rarely ever have to shoot that far. Even at elk have no issues getting within 30. I rather punch a hole in an animal and watch it fall in 60 yards or less, rather than wounding one to death…. But that's what works for me. Not saying I'm right, just saying what works for me. I hunt public land and with my arrows it allows me to be confident in taking the shots I'm given. Would like to point out that with the heavier set ups I get pass-throughs the long way.
It’s kind of vain to think you and a few others discovered heavy weight forward arrows. Went down the lite, overdrawn bows and mechanical broadheads only to realize they didn’t work very well 40 years ago. As did a lot people and the Indians. 350 spine Black Eagle vintage, 100 brass insert, 300 grain broadhead get you to 740 grains.
Ashby used a 90 lb long bow.
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Ashley lb was 90 and 115 lb. 650 100% bone breaking, 500 is fine except 50% chance to break bone. Ashley is miss interpreted. I shoot around 500g, 31 inch draw, 70lb
Chris bee just made a video about 3 out of the package rage he shot and all 3 were all over the map, no consistency at all. It was called how accurate are rage broadheads
Dudleys problem is he's not changing minds because all he does is talk to ppl that already agree with him. If he really thinks he is right he should debate someone who disagrees with him. The fact he doesn't shows he doesn't have facts to back up what he's saying
I'm listening to the Podcast that T bone and Michael Waddell did last year on A Bone to Pick. T bone said all of the same things he said on the podcast from.last year that he said to you guys!
How did I miss this! Great live guys✌🏾🏹
Really good controversial podcast. I'm glad T-Bone was able to put his makeup on and make a appearance. I feel that there is definitely a tool for every job. Being from northeastern Indiana a lot of the shots that you're most likely going to make with a bow ,Max 40 yd. I feel a heavy arrow being up-close-and-personal would give you a good advantage. I'm definitely not going to sling a 550+ grain arrow past 50 yards. To me trying things like that would result in irresponsible outcomes. Be smart! Be ethical! Be respectful! Great conversation gentleman, have a good day.
Awsome podcast.3 superb archers.well done ✌️🤘👏🤛
Brandon.. Your halfout is TRASH. That think will melt when it hits anything HARD, Nuff said
I'm new to bow hunting…you gents are dropping mana from heaven…trying to send arrows on the daily for this upcoming WT season! Thanks for the data upload!
Alley-oop is thirsty 😅 the fact that there’s a convo about this is frustrating we are divided enough in this country and now that crap plays it’s course in the archery/bow hunting community. Natives hunted with equipment less sophisticated then what we currently have to date, and got the job done. If Dudley in deed ever say “sprinkle less fairy dust” then he’s wrong for that! Attack the idea not the not the person and his idea or view. If your system/setup works execute it on animals and when it fails learning will occur that’s why they say go to 3D shoots that’s the Same reason why 3D shoots now suck IMO everyone worries about what you are shooting, wearing, everyone is a pro and their style or form of shooting is right that’s a tad too much for my liking so many dudes stay clear from all this non-sense by not attending these things.
If it kills it kills fuck a 3d shoot even tho that’s where I’ve heard many influencers tell new archers/bowhunters to go use their new hunting setups so they know if it works. It’s best to learn on foam then animals so if a dude wants to take a 550+ arrow to a TAC let it be a learning lesson will occur that archer will know in a narrow or tight space their arrow might not be the best application out WEST or where ever they hunt. Experience will prevail hopefully and common sense will hopefully occur.
James solid as always my friend one of the most solid convos I’ve heard to date 3 dudes bringing solid and attention to an area where we honestly spend too much worrying about.
Never seen T-Bone without a hat!
Good vid, this is like a Ford Chevy argument. I have watched Nock On vids and I am a fairly new archery, but my takeaway from Dudley’s video was different than Brandon is portraying. As an outdoors that hunts with firearms, archery, fishes, target shooting with shotguns and what I don’t care for is one outdoor voice is calling out another by name. Put the info out there, let the audience weed it out, but don’t attack others in our industry or field there are plenty of haters out there constantly trying to take down the hunting world let’s not do it to each other
So awesome that T-Bone jumped on! James goes with the flow and makes it work with accuracy and repetition, having loads of fun. Brandon has dove into the heavy arrow world but approaches everything with common sense and logical thinking. T-Bone is a genius in disguise, full of wisdom all the way around. Great talk!
It's also about having some f. O. C. I noticed my arrows steer better in the wind
I am now shooting the rip ex vel. At about 402 to 403 but I did it for more yardage outta my bow I do like how much quieter my bow is with the heavier arrow but great discussion boys
People are also trying to shoot the tac with their hunting gear is what I hear and actually used to do up until 2 years ago, I was only shooting like 510 but still wasn't clearing everything, at least those with heavy arrows are finding out what they actually need to be able to hit their animal, idk and ranch's also planning for the plan b when you hit bone I believe I hear from him
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I am curious. Are they showing up to tac with a 650gr arrow or ate tgey showing up with a bow that doesnt shoot 330 ibo. Because even a lighter arrow out of my bow going to arc something fierce.
tried the heavy stuff -650 gr. Now have a bunch of heavy inserts in a box. Settled on 425 gr for 3d and some hunting but have some heavy FMJs at 500 gr I shoot from a backup bow that is about 5 lbs heavier draw and that's as heavy as I want to mess with, Getting older and 60 lbs is about what fits me for draw weight.
My arrows are in the middle. I shoot 510 grain arrows for whitetail. Since i have shot these 510 grains, i have gotten pass throughs on every deer ive shot. Its not 700 but it still has alot of kinetic energy. Good luck this year boys! I watch both RF, dudley, joel turner, t bone, waddell. I watch as much as i can, to get as much knowlege i can. Great video. If i didnt strictly whitetail hunt, i wouks shoot lighter arrows. When i went to colorado for elk, i shot 440 grain. Because of the longer shots i would have had to take.
I shoot 550 with a single bevel at 70 lbs and 29” because 425-475 with expandables and good fixed didn’t get the penetration to kill deer under 25 yards. So for the shot angles I get I need weight. I’ve had to many bad experiences with light set ups. From the deer moving out of the way to the deer not moving and the arrow kicking and from breaking broadheads to not breaking bone. I’ve shot them perfect and not found them. I don’t think putting a big hole in the liver or guts matter because there’s not a lot blood to fallow or the deer to bleed out from. Your not gaining anything by having a bigger hole when you shoot back. I also noticed that the deer don’t run the same when shot with a sharp broadhead. The reason I started shooting heavy is a shot 2 deer two years in a row when they were broadside or slightly quartering away and shoot in the crease and had an exit in the guts and only got one lung and liver guts so shot placement wasn’t the issue but the blades open at different times and kick the arrow off course. I think most people should shoot 475-575 with a sharp high quality broadhead
The bone breaking threshold only means that’s when he saw a jump in the percentage of times it broke. Not that you can’t get break bone with less just that all platforms took a jump in bone breaking ability.
If you are having success then don’t change your set up. But be critical of it to make sure it is successful and not just getting by with the skin of you teeth. I think a lot of people (myself included) had multiple terrible experiences with light fast setups. So to say it’s better for everyone is wrong. And most guys are blowing through everything. If you watch their videos there’s alot of arrow hanging out. I think most people worry about the arrow flying through the air and think it stays the same from the bow to the target. And not worried about getting their arrow through the target. We understand that guns loose energy and there’s a max range and we don’t for bows because your arrows slows down so much and if you need speed for energy then you have way less energy on impact and then you have a soft spine so it rebends like it did out of the bow which takes alot of energy away from the bow. Again if your set up works 100% then don’t change if not then evaluate it and if it’s penetration then your arrow isn’t adequate or your shooting to far for it. As a hunter not an archer I want as many shot angles as possible because they move no matter the set up
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I believe the heavy Arrow theory is very true it is better for breaking bone better for penetration the thing that no one talks about is that the Ashby studies were done with traditional equipment if you're shooting a compound it really doesn't matter yes a little bit heavier Arrow will penetrate better but doesn't matter it's 70 or 75 lb know it doesn't this is basically for guys shooting Trad equipment 40-50 lb bows that's where it matters the lighter your draw weight the heavier used to be going in Arrow
I watch this video please please please keep doing what you’re doing. I love the gas T-bone is my man I really like the information. He gives you when it comes to archery. You give out good information too. You’re helping so many Bow hunter‘s in 3-D shooters with your videos You are blessed and I thank you that you post them so we can all learn something I’m 62 years old. I shoot a 60 pound ball and I’m still learning and I’ve been hunting for over 40 years. I’m trying to understand the greens when it comes to an arrow. I shoot a 300 grain Easton 6.5 with a 100 Greenfield point how would I add that up to the exact hour wait