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Ah so he can't throw far anymore huh? 😅
He’s a smart man
Not sure how this is ‘new news’. As an occupational therapist and certified hand therapist who works with professional and amateur athletes, including disc golfers, this has been obnoxiously obvious to me – maybe it’s because I’m skilled in movement, activity, and environmental analysis but it doesn’t take much to connect the dots from a change in course design at the same time many professionals are coming out injured. When Paul went to Europe it was obvious that he wanted to play real disc golf again instead of bomber course after bomber course. Is distance a skill? Yes, of course. But it’s also super boring to watch the same people throw the same shot over and over when I know I can watch much more exciting ‘woods golf’. Meanwhile there are real skills that take much more time and practice to learn to do accurately and those are the skills that will win in woods golf – you know people actually having to hit lines instead of throwing wide hyzers and Grenades over every obstacle. There is ZERO reason that disc golf as a growing sport can’t have a nice mix and the best of both worlds.
SO important for the strong players to speak out. Kudos to Paul (and Simon for weighing in for shorter, course variety). Add in the endless trouble keeping up good relations with the golf clubs? Big air golf has it's place for sure, but should not dominate the tour or our future course searches.
Distance alone shouldn't decide tournament winners
I love Paul’s hatred for courses on ball golf courses. I see why he went to Europe in the first place. He wanted to play some real disc golf courses 😂.
A lot of disc golfers should train Kneesovertoes exercises . It’s doctor scholls for your hips ,knees ,and ankles. This is a great guided circuit https://youtu.be/O6san2BjmHY
bring back the aussie open!
The thing with the bomber courses isn't just the rounds played, but the practice rounds. If disc golfers are throwing hundreds of high power shots over the course of a week, and then follow it up week after week – with maybe a day's rest in the beginning, and later on more forced rest due to strain and injury – that has a cumulative impact for the tour. Not just for that season, but seasons to come.
Paul’s the 🐐 I pray 🙏🏼 that he gets healthy an better everyday an the same with EAGLE I pray pray prayyyy eagle stays healthy and stays for a decade an more to come for both of the great lads an I can never forget Calvin either I love em all they are so incredible to watch great role models for the new casuals to watch the game 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I think the growth of the sport spectator-wise has also made an impact on what courses are being played. It’s easier to fit in spectators on those big open courses. I personally find it much more fun to watch these tough and tight wooden courses. Or at least a combination. Øverås last weekend was a really fun tournament to watch.
Also Finland has a lot of great wooden courses where you have to make a decision on where to attack the par 4/5s.
Besides better views, I don't see what's so special about these Euro courses. Putting OB everywhere does not make good course design. Many of these courses are just as open as the golf courses on the DGPT too. Seems to me that a lot of people just whine for the sake of whining.
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I have been rocking all the European tournaments right now they are great the holes are challenging without being crazy long. The golf course style is super boring these well mapped out wooded courses are awesome. And the golf itself Is better and much more exciting all the rounds
Changing the subject, I really liked Paul's other point in this interview about shallow water obstacles. They still look good, you still get your penalty shot if you throw into them, but you always get your disc back after. No muddy water ponds with 0 % of getting your disc back, where you never really feel like attacking the hole unless you're sponsored and don't have to pay for your discs.
lol mcbeth does not throw as far as eagle
It’s called Golf. Nobody watches the PBGA.
White ball courses are boring to watch. I look forward to the day when all tournaments are played on DISC golf courses.
Of course as Paul gets older, he wants to play less courses that require longer drives, in order to be competitive. Why else would be be spending the entire year on the EU tour, where he knows he will cash, unlike in most of the US courses where he knows he would get smoked. Makes total sense.
I agree
As long as courses like black hills dont start being the norm…. those arent fun for people looking to join the sport.
Win the war not the battle.
Well said
Thanks for the focus on what he was saying – it is very logical and helpful.
I like watching the ball courses.
Golf courses are lame as hell , disc golf was meant to be for natural terrain 🤦♂️
I see a similar issue with the single day tournament schedule for B and C tier events. Playing 36 holes in a day, plus the practice round the day before, is just a lot of golf to play. Especially for the lower tier/older players. Form is important but long distance and a lot of holes in a day adds up quickly to injury.
As time goes on and our awesome game continues to mature, there will be more and more top level purpose-designed disc golf courses. The best ways to accommodate galleries will be figured out. DGN, etc, will also figure out the challenges to televising it. So, I believe the ball golf course problem will decrease and eventually go away.
When i watch post coverage, I find myself skipping past par 4s and 5s or most courses because only the approach shot matters in most of the American courses. You put your drive anywhere decent at all and it’s just an upshot that decides whether you make par or birdie, possibly bogey if there is OB. But these 200 foot upshots are so simple for guys of this level that they all result in birdies. The PCS Open was fun because on their par 4s, if you get out of position, you are probably not birdieing and there were enough trees that even pars were a struggle on some holes. Great design!
I don't like to watch when they play on golf courses. It's no fun just to watch drives.
It’s not ball golf. It’s just Golf.
I never understood setting up disc golf courses on ball golf courses. They are different sports, they have different obstacles, different distances, courses I play locally resemble nothing like ball golf.
McBeth is a thinker, and I have great respect for that aspect of his make-up.
I never want to see worlds in emporia ever again
I'm completely with Paul on this one. With so many great disc golf courses in the US why should any tour events be on ball golf courses? I understand it wouldn't be an overnight process but I'd hope that the tour tries to get all events over to non-ball-golf courses.
"You think i cant throw as far as Eagle? Cmon I won the distance competition 15 years ago. I just don't do it because I don't want to"
-Paul
So that's why the European events are so much more fun, it's because they're made for Disc golf instead of being recycled from Ball golf?
Woods is fun but yeah a fair amount of woods golf can be accomplished with a few Mando signs. No it's not the same, but it does help force a given shot a lot, and frankly I think the tour should have these guys being forced to throw stall hyzers, rollers, or just something weird like a hole that basically forces a skip shot, a few once or twice a round. Make shot shaping important please.
Is it the courses fault that pros are going for eagle on 600 foot holes? I do agree there are too many ball golf courses on tour. But just last week Paige Pierce broke her leg on a wooded course. Injuries happen in sports and the sport is progressing. The ball golf courses this year have yielded really exciting finishes
Love the new logo!
I like watching shots that require shot shaping more than big air.
the longer you have to throw, the more injuries we will see, so yeah this is true!
Forest courses are less about distance, more about accurasy so less injuries.
He’s right
The Tiger Woods Effect.
Who can throw a disc the farthest is absolutely NOT what disc golf is all about. It is boring for players and for spectators; might as well go back to watching ball golf. That is garbage golf.
Some of the stops on tour have been pretty good lately. (Shelton, Portland, Missoula, Iowa, Kansas City).
This is more of an indictment of playing style. / Torquey forehand. You don't see Calvin getting inured. And he crushes all the ball golf courses.
The problem with ball golf courses is all the artifical OB lines and lack of physical obstacles. Its fun for newer people to the sport to watch pros throw so far, but any seasoned disc golfer can tell you its more important to have shot shaping skills and accuracy vs distance. This leads to the appeal of wooded courses and wanting to see more of that action, but also much harder for gallery views on a heavily wooded course.