Dr. Dave demonstrates, evaluates, and compares various diamond systems for aiming sliding bank shots where fast speed is used or where the object ball is close to the banking cushion.
Contents:
0:00 – Intro
0:32 – Reference Lines
3:11 – Dr. Dave 1/3-More-Than-Twice System
7:29 – Bob Jewett’s 3-Diamond “Spot on the Wall”
8:41 – Measured “Spot on the Wall”
11:50 – Other Systems
—- 12:06 – 1-more-than-twice
—- 12:51 – Eckert 3/8
—- 13:47 – Briesath thirds
14:33 – System Comparison
17:22 – Wrap Up
CORRECTIONS:
– I should have mentioned that the Eckert 3/8 and Briesath thirds systems are identical since 8/3x is the same as 2x(1 + 1/3).
Supporting Resources:
– bank shot aiming systems resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/
– bank and kick shot tutorial: https://billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/kicks-and-banks/
– “Aim KICKS and BANKS Like a Pro … The Only DIAMOND SYSTEM You Need to Know” video: https://youtu.be/4QWcQhytefI
– “Top 10 BANK and KICK Shot Aiming SYSTEMS” video: https://youtu.be/U5Exnt3WDXA
– “BANK and KICK Effects and Aiming ADJUSTMENTS” video: https://youtu.be/11iSqkJjWgM
– 1/3-more-than-twice banking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/one-third-more-than-twice/
– “spot on the wall” aiming systems: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/spot-on-wall/
– Video Encyclopedia of One-Pocket (VEOP): https://drdavebilliards.com/videos/veop/
– diamond ruler for 9′ table (for measuring between diamonds): https://billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/diamond_ruler.pdf
– three balls in a line with 3/8″ gaps (to minimize spin transfer and aiming errors during test shots): https://billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/gapped-ball_template.pdf
– small-gap combination resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/combination/small-gap/
– “CRAZY BANKS: Corey DEUEL vs John BRUMBACK – 2018 20th DERBY CITY CLASSIC BANKS DIVISION” video: https://youtu.be/vixXDUSzo9E
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Unrelated question:
My pool coach says that I shouldn't do follow-through on stop shots. The cue should stop one ball length after the hit.
That seems so contrary to my expectation, and his explanation didn't make sense to me.
So what's your take? Follow-through on stop shots: yay or nay?
I thought about what you present in this video and I want to propose to you a better system:
Most diamond-measuring systems miss some shots, because the diamonds introduce a fixed distance (diamond to bank). Every angle scales up, but the the fixed distance results in errors at the lowest and highest cut angles. Yet with your "1/3 more than double"-system you measure from the banks but introduce a fixed distance of "1/3 of a diamond", which again results in errors at the lowest and highest cut angles. So wouldn't the best system use no fixed distances at all? It should always scale with the diamonds.
Here is my solution:
Your system (using the banks to aim) seems most accurate at diamonds 2 and 4-and-1/3. This is 2 multiplied by 13/6. Now this does not seem easy to calculate, but there is a trick here:
On a 9-foot-table the diamonds are 12.3 inches distance from each other. On an 8-foot table it they are still 11.5 inches. So 1/12th of a diamond is basically just an inch!
This means, multiplying by 13/6 is the same as this: Double the diamond. Add as many inches as resulting Diamonds.
0.5 -> Diamond 1 + 1 inch
1.0 -> Diamond 2 + 2 inches
1.5 -> Diamond 3 + 3 inches
2.0 -> Diamond 4 + 4 inches (this is 1/3 more than twice)
2.5 -> Diamond 5 + 5 inches
3.0 -> Diamond 6 + 6 inches (this is halfewaybetween 6 and 7)
Could you test this against the others with the same scientific methods?
Hey, I'm trying to find a match and I'm hoping you can help me out. I think the player I'm talking about is Earl Strickland but I could be wrong. He was playing a game where he just kept getting bad rolls the entire match. Do you by chance know which game I'm thinking of?
Дядька детально излагает), но стойку ставить нужно ему.
Ain't nobody got time for this.
I love this for fast speed banks but for natural banking I thing you are looking way to far into this. Spot on the wall works well but no need as all natural angles work with aiming at half and whole diamonds almost no matter where the cueball lies. this point was proven by Freddy banks Betivegna. pardon the last name spelling.
What a single man with so much love for it can do for the game… You have, and will continue to, help to develop this game so much ! Thank you !
With a few principles in mind its all by feel for me. Love these breakdowns they never miss
Well sometimes i feel its illegal to watch this content for free
I really appreciate your content Dr Dave and I have found it extremely helpful in improving many aspects of my pool game.
When it comes to kick shots I have never been particularly great at them and thus far I haven't found an easy to remember system that works for me as i am Autistic and mathematics has always been my achilles heel. I tend to rely more on my intuition when it comes to billiards and it has never really held me back in terms of being able to run racks as my cue ball control is pretty good. Kick shots however, I am average at best and there are lower ranked players who can run rings around me when it comes to this 😢.
I know ⅓ & ⅕ of diamonds may be easy for some people to memorise but my brain doesn't work in that way so I'd have no chance of mastering that system 😅lol.
I do really like the Bob Jewitt 3-diamond system that you demonstrated though as it seems simple enough for even me to memorise. Even if it is slightly less accurate than the mathematical system, I reckon its something I can work with and after a bit of practice I should hopefully be able to figure out any necessary adjustment and then be able to play them instinctively.
Thanks for making this. It's good to know there is a system for everyone and you don't have to be a math expert to kick well 👍.
Great instruction.
But im.just a pool player.
This could have been done while speaking Chinese. I still wouldnt get it either way. LOL
thank you Sir for posting
I'm at the point where I can consistently bank system free. all feel
Not to undermine all these systems but I feel like it's one of those cases where practical application renders most of them useless. In real life it has to be quick and take as less of your mental focus as possible, so all the calculations are out of the window. What's left is vanishing point (spot on the wall) but it lacks accuracy. Eventually I scraped all the systems and simply remembered the exact aiming points, which massively improved my banking. At the end it's only 8 of them and you approximate in between. You remember it once and never in doubt because there is nothing to calculate under pressure. Recently, I came across this channel and was pleasantly surprised that I'm not alone, the guy made great effort to cover all possible banks on the table and simply gives you charts to remember. As crazy as it sounds, it turned out to be most pragmatic approach for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C22UG0oTlso
I love banks for the fact you never have a definitive aim point. Hit soft or hard with all kinds of spin to get cue ball moving on intended path.
1/3 method works out well if you are banking along the diamonds.. but in the real world the balls arent always going to be right under or half-way from the diamond.. would be nice to see how it works in any position.
I think multiplication by 2.5 is a little easier version of Eckert's system. Which is different only by 7% and works better for newer tables, I think.
Impressive!
It's a quarter diamond more on the rail ball for 7 foot diamond tables. This is the exact banking system that I use. Great video Dr. Dave. I made a video just like this one. I took it down because it didn't do well and received lots of criticism from other YouTubers. They all denounced everything I said and showed exactly what you are showing. Now it will be more accepted since the information is coming from you. Ty for doing this video and reinforcing what I have been doing for quite some time. TTYL
As usual, you are so thorough. Just a great reference. Thank you.
I saw another method used on a site… Where the far rail diamond numbers are as normal . 10-20-30-40 etc, The numbers on the near rail correspond to 4-8-12-16-20-25 -30 . At fast speed it works well and is easy to remember. Example is -when at 12 on the near rail , shoot for 12 on the far rail… Its close to your reference lines…
I don't understand how "spot on the wall" systems can work when that is never a consistent distance from the edge of the table
Where is true 0,0 of a corner? Is it where the diamonds from short rail and long rail intersect? Or where the seam between each rail and cushion intersect as hinted at in diagram at 9:25?
The spot on the wall adjustment for low angles is because the spot on the wall represents 0/0 which is deep in the pocket. The best spot for the object ball to enter the pocket in those cases is by aiming a little "higher" than the spot on the wall. At wider angles the pocket entry line and 0/0 aim line are more congruent. This is also why the 1/3 more than twice is not formulaic consistent; the pocket entry target is about 0.15 / 0.15 rather than 0/0. EDIT: Though, in your diagrams you show 0 at the center of the pocket rather than at the intersection of the diamonds on adjoining rails. If this is correct I have been thinking about diamonds wrong until today.
I am pretty lazy, when it comes to training the 2:1 shifts and calculating tends to mess with my concentration.
What i do is combine 2 of your methods. I determine the spot on the wall reference line. Take the line to the OB and just take the numbers of that line to determine if they match the system. Seems a bit odd but it helps.
i just imagine a mirror table and aim for the pocket there,seems to work
Speed and english matter. Best of luck at mosconi this year. Remember, EUROPE #1.
can you chat about ghost ball shooting too please . thank you
Thank you Dave! Couple of questions:
– Where exactly is the "rail groove" measurement? Is it directly under the edge of the cushion overhang, or at the ghost ball position for a ball frozen to the rail?
– How do you use the 1/3rd more than twice system when the object ball is far from the rail without doing a whole bunch of trial and error spots on the far cushion?
My God you are really into it.
Numbers were never ever my strong point.
Keith
Just shows how hard banks are, and how great our brains and eyes can calculate banks to make them with a lot of practice. Some days I can't miss a bank and some days it's like I've never banked before. Same with playing straight in shots, small cuts, hard cuts, 1/2 balls, 1/4 balls, and 3/4 balls too. Hate this game sometimes. LOL
lets be honest
i ve been subscribe to your channel for such a long time and your content really dont disappoint me
I have learn a lot on the content that you upload and i apply it whenever i play pool here in the philippines
Love these systems. As a recreational player most the time. I generally use more visualization techniques. Since a kid i always imagined a mirror 90degrres to the rail and aimed for the ghost pocket.
Great stuff Dr. Dave. Love the Iverson video at the end; I use that line on a few players here who don't like to practice (obviously, they'll never get much better). Is there a video on banks off the short rail? I guess I'll check later. Thanks for all the AWESOME work you put in to make these videos! 🎱💪
Fantastic video and explanation! Always one of the best!
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Phenomenal work Doctor Dave. This has been on my mind for a good while now, but what is your take on aiming these shots where the CB and OB are not a 1/1 full ball? What sort of adjustments does one make in order to compensate for cut-induced sidespin imparted on OB with a non-1/1 hit?
I respect your diligence and amazing work. Swerve!!
I don't mind decimals, but these diamonds are confusing; I've never played on a table with them and I might not have ever seen one in real life. Either they over complicate things or they're a crutch. Would you redo your system without them, please? Thanks. 😉
Contents:
0:00 – Intro
0:32 – Reference Lines
3:11 – Dr. Dave 1/3-More-Than-Twice System
7:29 – Jewett 3-Diamond “Spot on the Wall”
8:41 – Measured “Spot on the Wall”
11:50 – Other Systems
—- 12:06 – 1-more-than-twice
—- 12:51 – Eckert 3/8
—- 13:47 – Briesath thirds
14:33 – System Comparison
17:22 – Wrap Up
CORRECTIONS:
– I should have mentioned that the Eckert 3/8 and Briesath thirds systems are identical since 8/3x is the same as 2x(1 + 1/3).
Supporting Resources:
– bank shot aiming systems resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/
– bank and kick shot tutorial: https://billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/kicks-and-banks/
– “Aim KICKS and BANKS Like a Pro … The Only DIAMOND SYSTEM You Need to Know” video: https://youtu.be/4QWcQhytefI
– “Top 10 BANK and KICK Shot Aiming SYSTEMS” video: https://youtu.be/U5Exnt3WDXA
– “BANK and KICK Effects and Aiming ADJUSTMENTS” video: https://youtu.be/11iSqkJjWgM
– 1/3-more-than-twice banking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/one-third-more-than-twice/
– “spot on the wall” aiming systems: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/spot-on-wall/
– Video Encyclopedia of One-Pocket (VEOP): https://drdavebilliards.com/videos/veop/
– diamond ruler for 9′ table (for measuring between diamonds): https://billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/diamond_ruler.pdf
– three balls in a line with 3/8″ gaps (to minimize spin transfer and aiming errors during test shots): https://billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/gapped-ball_template.pdf
– small-gap combination resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/combination/small-gap/
– “CRAZY BANKS: Corey DEUEL vs John BRUMBACK – 2018 20th DERBY CITY CLASSIC BANKS DIVISION” video: https://youtu.be/vixXDUSzo9E
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